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Server and Server HMI with reduced tag count

As described here

https://www.trihedral.com/sustainable-scada-system

Distributed Local Historians – The County was also concerned about the potential loss of data should the connection to remote sites be lost. In response, MPE configured the application to allow for use of VTScada as local HMIs at all remote stations. Once VTScada is deployed as a local HMI, if the station is cut off from the central application, the local HMI continues to provide local monitoring and control while collecting alarm and historical data. When communications to the local site are restored, all local alarm and historical data is backfilled into the central SCADA system. This was completed for one of the major pump houses during this project. To implement this solution, MPE supplied and installed a local panel mount PC, replacing an existing HMI at the local station. “It’s running the same VTScada application as the centralized servers but using tag and alarm area filtering to reduce the license cost and present only relevant information to local operators,” says Spencer. “Using VTScada as an HMI replacement, and structuring the tag database appropriately, we have effectively implemented historical store-and-forward allowing the County to eliminate data loss when communication links to the station are disrupted. An added benefit is the synchronization with the central system; all graphics, user accounts, alarm history, and alarm configurations are synchronized in real-time. The SCADA application is pre-structured to allow for this configuration at all remote sites and the County would like to implement VTScada as a local HMI for all stations in the future.”

I am looking to do basically the same thing as described here but haven't figured out how to change the tag count at a secondary station. Any help in how this kind of configuration is accomplished?

As described here https://www.trihedral.com/sustainable-scada-system > Distributed Local Historians – The County was also concerned about the potential loss of data should the connection to remote sites be lost. In response, MPE configured the application to allow for use of VTScada as local HMIs at all remote stations. Once VTScada is deployed as a local HMI, if the station is cut off from the central application, the local HMI continues to provide local monitoring and control while collecting alarm and historical data. When communications to the local site are restored, all local alarm and historical data is backfilled into the central SCADA system. This was completed for one of the major pump houses during this project. To implement this solution, MPE supplied and installed a local panel mount PC, replacing an existing HMI at the local station. “It’s running the same VTScada application as the centralized servers but using tag and alarm area filtering to reduce the license cost and present only relevant information to local operators,” says Spencer. “Using VTScada as an HMI replacement, and structuring the tag database appropriately, we have effectively implemented historical store-and-forward allowing the County to eliminate data loss when communication links to the station are disrupted. An added benefit is the synchronization with the central system; all graphics, user accounts, alarm history, and alarm configurations are synchronized in real-time. The SCADA application is pre-structured to allow for this configuration at all remote sites and the County would like to implement VTScada as a local HMI for all stations in the future.” I am looking to do basically the same thing as described here but haven't figured out how to change the tag count at a secondary station. Any help in how this kind of configuration is accomplished?

ok is it just setting the secondary servers (local HMI) to not deploy local changes and then disabling the unneeded tags at that location? Or is there more that needs/should be done?

ok is it just setting the secondary servers (local HMI) to not deploy local changes and then disabling the unneeded tags at that location? Or is there more that needs/should be done?

Have a look in the docs for tag, realm and alarm area filtering. Simply -

With tag area filtering, you can set things up so a specific workstation can load a subset of the tags in an application so a license with a lower tag count can be used.

Alarm area filtering can set up a workstation to display a subset of the alarms. The entire app and all the tags are loaded and available but only specific alarms are indicated.

Realm area filtering loads all the app and tags but limits what the user can see by his log in credentials.

Have a look in the docs for tag, realm and alarm area filtering. Simply - With tag area filtering, you can set things up so a specific workstation can load a subset of the tags in an application so a license with a lower tag count can be used. Alarm area filtering can set up a workstation to display a subset of the alarms. The entire app and all the tags are loaded and available but only specific alarms are indicated. Realm area filtering loads all the app and tags but limits what the user can see by his log in credentials.

Doug Spurrell

There is a better way to do this. You'll want to use realm area and tag area filters.
Learn about Tag Area Filtering Here:
About Tag Area Filtering
Tag Area Filtering Example

Learn about Realm Area Filtering Here:
About Realm Area Filtering

There is a better way to do this. You'll want to use realm area and tag area filters. Learn about Tag Area Filtering Here: [About Tag Area Filtering](https://www.trihedral.com/help/Content/D_Tags/Dev_FilteringOverview.htm) [Tag Area Filtering Example](https://www.trihedral.com/help/Content/D_Customize/Dev_TagAreaFilteringEx1.htm) Learn about Realm Area Filtering Here: [About Realm Area Filtering](https://www.trihedral.com/help/Content/D_Customize/Dev_RealmAreaFiltering.htm)

Trihedral Engineering Ltd.

Thanks,

So Area names need to be kept without spaces for this to work.
Is there an easy way to also restrict the pages a particular linked application can access?

Thanks, So Area names need to be kept without spaces for this to work. Is there an easy way to also restrict the pages a particular linked application can access?

For that, you will want to use custom application privileges. You can set these in the idea studio, page property tab, under security. Note you will have to also add the custom application privileges to the users or roles who will be able to access the controlled pages. You can learn more on this here: https://www.trihedral.com/help/Content/D_Customize/dev_AddAppPrivilege.htm

For that, you will want to use custom application privileges. You can set these in the idea studio, page property tab, under security. Note you will have to also add the custom application privileges to the users or roles who will be able to access the controlled pages. You can learn more on this here: https://www.trihedral.com/help/Content/D_Customize/dev_AddAppPrivilege.htm

Trihedral Engineering Ltd.

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